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Yashmak

"How can the USA have nukes and yet attack Iran in the UN when they too try to gain them? "

Simple. The US has never called for the elimination of an entire country. Iran, under Ahmadinjad, HAS.

Subsunk

Matt Cooper,

Your explanation of the banking/oil system and the need to keep everything in US dollars is just about the dumbest and most incorrect explanation of oil trading I've ever heard. Except for the 1st Gulf War in 1991, through May of that year, there has not been more than 30,000 American military or support personnel living on the Arabian peninsula, and usually much less than that (around 15,000 military and support personnel). Where did you dream up your bogus 100,000+ personnel on the peninsula? Harry Potter Conjures up an Army?

JDC,

Please explain how eugenics has anything to do with the reputation of the United States in Europe? Your supposition that the USA has done some nefarious deeds in the past which makes Europeans mad at us because either they didn't think of it first, or thought it was wrong (although they did it themselves, probably, until something in religion or science opened their eyes and made them change). I just don't understand what you think eugenics has to do with anti American feelings in the world today.

For the rest, exactly how does America's "lifestyle" differ dramatically from the rest of the world such that "we care more about some guy named Beau (that's Bo) losing 'American Idol' more than how our lifestyle impacts the world and even our own future". I guess the French do not drive cars, use air conditioning, or buy, sell or manufacture commodities and goods such as drugs, electricity or shampoo. What is so evil about American lifestyles that prevents anyone else around the world from achieving it through a similar amount of hard work and effort?

Thanks for spouting. Move along.

Subsunk

FlyingFin

“A president who has never gone to war” overtly, but as the hypocrites Ahmadinejihad and his predecessors are, they are covertly at war by using the uneducated, ignorant and impoverished pawns, the orphans, as human homicidal bombers” to do their evil deeds.

Also, this world does not need Iran, a theocratic dictatorship-supported by less than 10% of its own people, the other 90% being sectarian- to lecture a country such as America, where freedom to worship a “loving Judeo-Christian GOD, or an Islamic God, or no God, is respected. Islam’s claim, as is some other world religions, is that the Bible has been corrupted by man, and the Koran is not. As if GOD is incapable of preserving the word (logos) given to his earliest prophets-a GOD of mercy and love that has reserved judgement for Himself. And yet Muslims believe the God of Islam has put into their hands and their followers-corruptible man-this judgement. Having the right to kill whoever they determine to be infidels. YEAH! RIGHT!!

GOD knows that a society which allows religious choice, a choice given to us by GOD- since Adam in the garden, is more apt to choose, through prayer, the true GOD than for a theocracy to dictate its beliefs upon them. Just ask the survivors of Jim Jones and David Khoresh.

Ahmadinejad, heed your own words and leave Israel, and other GOD fearing nations alone to follow their chosen path and in the end let GOD make the judgement His.

Jon

Like the Geico commercials Amedinajad should have had Sam Kinnison standing beside him
translating.

Open your mind

I am going to make this quick.

There are those of you who are fixated on one point of view, and have the indelible notion to post comments "proving" such views. That is understandable. We are all humans, and such actions are part of human nature.

Additionally, the leaders of these countries and their peoples themselves are also human. It would be foolish to believe that one person or one country's administration is 100% right on 100% of the issues. In fact, who is more knowledgeable than our creator (be it God, Allah, Yahweh, etc.)? How can we hold laws that were made by mere mortals higher than that of the creator? But that is altoghether another discussion.

I am not saying Bush is right or wrong, Ahmadinejad is good or evil. What I am merely trying to convey to the many contributors on this blog is that maybe sometimes things are not what they are portayed to be.

First let me make this clear, Ahmadinejad has been quoted out of context many times on the issue of Israel and its annihilation. He does not want to wipe out the entire Jewish race. He wants to eliminate the "State" of Israel, more precisely, its administration which has been put into place under illegal statutes after WWII in what was formerly known as Palestine. In fact, there are thousands of Jews living IN Iran at this very moment. They don't feel threatened by the government of its peoples.

Once again the media's propoganda machine strikes.

On a side note, what is the issue with Iran making nuclear power? The common misconception is that Iran has a large, albeit finite, supply of oil and natural resources, more specifaclly oil. This is true, but all this comes at a cost. Iran would much rather use "cheap" nuclear power for its own use, and sell its equivalent in oil to other countries and make a profit.

This is precisely why the US and other countries do not want Iran to develop these facilities, not the fear of nuclear weapons - which much like the WMD threat of Iraq is being used as a propoganda technique.

I wanted to keep it short, so I'll stop here. While I don't agree with many of the posts, I appreciate the honest opinion of users in this blog.

Matt Cooper

Hey Subsunk-
Ok so 30K troops then and 100K troops now. Including naval crews, fighter jets, and bombers all along, and Israel is still our bully there and they support us too. So how is my point that our military presence protects regimes like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia wrong? Even Bush senior said we would not allow an attack on a soveriegn nation thats an ally. Now isn't that what George Washington warned about when he said "entangling alliances"?

Also---how is my explanation of banking/oil trading dumb? I work in banking and I talk to oil traders and energy analysts daily. I think I know at least something...you may in fact know more. But do you doubt that oil is traded in US$$$??? If so there are thousands of sources you can access that will prove my point. (I thought i referenced a few of them).

Open Your Mind
-thank you for talking about Iran and nuclear power. Yes Iran has vast oil reserves, what they lack is refining technology to turn that oil into gasoline. Did you know Iran imports nearly all of its gas needs! Isn't that amazing. This matter actually could come before the U.N. security council-whether to embargo their gas imports (admittedly even our own leaders think that would be too cruel)...but now it should make a little more sense why Iran wants to develop nuclear power.

Keep in mind no western power allied with the U.S. is going to build a refinery in Iran-1st, the u.s. government would never allow it. 2nd-the Iranians might nationalize the facilities; this is called country risk premium and you better believe it has a lot do with why many poor and radicalized countries can't secure western investment.

Subsunk

Posted by: Open your mind | Sep 21, 2006 at 03:43 PM

"There are those of you who are fixated on one point of view, and have the indelible notion to post comments "proving" such views. That is understandable. We are all humans, and such actions are part of human nature."

Subsunk: Your comments are noted.

"Additionally, the leaders of these countries and their peoples themselves are also human. It would be foolish to believe that one person or one country's administration is 100% right on 100% of the issues. In fact, who is more knowledgeable than our creator (be it God, Allah, Yahweh, etc.)? How can we hold laws that were made by mere mortals higher than that of the creator? But that is altoghether another discussion."

Subsunk: This comment noted as well. Is your point that God has said exactly the same thing through his two spokesmen, Bush and Ahmedinejad, or that neither speaks for him, and people's actions speak for themselves or what their interpretation of God's Word is?

"I am not saying Bush is right or wrong, Ahmadinejad is good or evil. What I am merely trying to convey to the many contributors on this blog is that maybe sometimes things are not what they are portayed to be."

Subsunk: Oh this is noted and agreed to by almost everyone here. No one has the same opinion on this. There are a multitiude of them, a veritable host of differing opinions. Only one is Truth incarnate, and it may note even be listed here.

"First let me make this clear, Ahmadinejad has been quoted out of context many times on the issue of Israel and its annihilation. He does not want to wipe out the entire Jewish race. He wants to eliminate the "State" of Israel, more precisely, its administration which has been put into place under illegal statutes after WWII in what was formerly known as Palestine. In fact, there are thousands of Jews living IN Iran at this very moment. They don't feel threatened by the government of its peoples."

Subsunk: "Out of context, eh? Really? Unthreatened? Really? Show me one who says they feel no threat. I'll grant you that translations could be faulty. I'll grant you that he may be misquoted a few times. I'll wholeheartedly agree that the press picks the worst items and prominently displays those which are most controversial and generate the most conflict.

Nevertheless, it is difficult to reconcile peaceful motives with the words of a man who says he simply wants to see the regime of Israel removed by deportation of all Zionists and Jews in Israel and resettlement in Europe in refugee camps similar to those of the Palestinians. Because those camps are such bastions of high level civilization, and the methods of security and economic success of the Palestinians are so impressively liberal and modern that I am just bubbling over with enthusiasm to visit a Holy Land for tourist fun and education and culture controlled by the Islamic regime of Iran and Palestine and Syria, those beacons of Enlightenment and progress for the common man and the various religions of the world in those places. Don't ya know? How many times must "Death to America, death to Satan be mistranslated before someone says, "Oh we really meant sweetness and light, milk and honey to America". Because after 40 yrs of this, I think someone would have noted the missed translation by now. I hear what he says. I don't like being threatened. He is threatening me, my way of life, and my family. Most of the people in my country feel similarly threatened by his speech, his countrymen's speech, and specifically his country's actions against our servicemen in Lebanon, the Gulf, and Iraq. We're not that easily fooled by flowery words and fluffy protestations of being misunderstood. We don't like what he says. We don't like people who defend him. And we don't like when you and those who support Imanutjob defend his point of view. That's tough if you don't like that. Cause that's the way Life is.
........

"On a side note, what is the issue with Iran making nuclear power? The common misconception is that Iran has a large, albeit finite, supply of oil and natural resources, more specifaclly oil. This is true, but all this comes at a cost. Iran would much rather use "cheap" nuclear power for its own use, and sell its equivalent in oil to other countries and make a profit."

Subsunk: It is called the Nuclear Non Proliferation TREATY, which Iran signed. They agreed not to develop nuclear weapons in exchange for accepting the nuclear technology provided by the other Western nuclear powers. An agreement they signed freely and without coercion. Now they don't want to follow this TREATY. The evidence? They have enriched uranium beyond the level allowed by the treaty. The inspectors have found this evidence. The press is too stupid to understand a violation has already been committed, and says so what? Iran has a history, long and firm, of trying to kill and damage Americans and their interests wherever and whenever they are in the world. (Well documented, I might add, but diplomats and the liberal press pass it off as mere misunderstandings among nations, while casting every mistake of the United States as evil violations of sovereignty or people's rights when they are no such thing).

As for "cheap" nuclear power, I am so glad that you would rather Iran skimp on protection and safety in nuclear power production to provide "cheap" nuclear electricity instead of the "cheaper" oil which bubbles out of the ground and can't kill anyone when an accident happens unless it is set on fire with great effort or someone dies swimming in a pool of oil. There is nothing "cheap" about nuclear power production anywhere in the world. It requires the most stringent of safety standards, and costs much more than drilling oil out of the ground and shipping it somewhere else. There is no source cheaper except maybe coal in the US because of its abundance. What makes electricity from oil more expensive than nuclear provided electricity is that you also have to burn it to make steam and then make electricity which costs more to do than using nuclear fuel to do so. As for making the equivalent of oil with nuclear power you are talking electricity. We know very well how to sell electricity to surrounding neighbors. Iran has no intention of doing so because it has no plans to upgrade its electrical infrastructure to become the electrical god of the Middle East and thus shows no sign of being able to use the nuclear electricity for anything other than bombmaking, and no intention of selling the saved oil at cut rate prices to the rest of the world, so we could all share in their wonderful nuclear supplied good fortune.

You argument is based on fallacy and incorrect economic facts and suppositions. Iran needs a nuclear power program only to make bombs, since the West has offered to supply it with market price uranium fuel (which cannot be used for weapons unless it is enriched) to its plants. Iran desires a nuclear power program only to politically protect it from Western intervention in its terroristic plans and support. Without a nuclear bomb, Iran can ultimately be threatened with extermination if it doesn't stop terrorizing people around them (they never would be threatened by the US for that, but Iran doesn't want to take the chance and is using their only way out of being held accountable for their conduct).

The Iranian people are not bad people and do not hate America. This is irrelevant. As long as they support and allow their regime and their leaders to conduct murder and mayhem on such a massive scale as we see in Iraq (and they are most assuredly behind at least 50% of the bloodshed there), their country is responsible for the deaths of thousands of Iraqis, and after they acquire nuclear weapons, will be responsible for the deaths of millions of Israelis.

You may see no problem with that until it is too late to do anything about it. I choose to see a threat, a large threat, which I could eliminate much easier now, with weak willed friends and fairweather allies, diplomatically or militarily, instead of waiting until millions of Israelis are dead, and my country's only option is to exterminate 75 million Iranians in retaliation without a single ally or friend to help.

"This is precisely why the US and other countries do not want Iran to develop these facilities, not the fear of nuclear weapons - which much like the WMD threat of Iraq is being used as a propoganda technique."

Speak for yourself, wingnut. I see a threat, the majority of my countrymen see a threat, and everyone who thinks America is a bigger threat than Iran with nuclear weapons has forgotten the last 60 yrs under American nuclear threat in which no one, I say again no one, zero, nilch, nada, none in the world have been harmed or killed by nuclear weapons use or threats from the USA.

So join the rest of the moonbats and tell us all how evil we are and how our use of oil is so bad, but Iran's supplying oil to every around the world is so good because they are just "supplying a demand".

The arguments about why Iran deserves nuclear power in the comments here have no relationship to the laws of physics, energy, or conservation of stupidity so relevant to the technical discussion of nuclear power and Iran. This comment section could be sold to Comedy Central as rebuttals of Jon Stewart's stupidity and humor, and you could make a mint.

Subsunk.

Dan

President Ahmadinejad spent the last two paragraphs of his speech calling for the arrival of the "perfect human".

I'm not an expert in Islamic end times and prophecy, but ain't their a WHOLE lot of bad things that are supposed to happen first? My limited expierence in religion makes me think that the end times are not the happiest for people who do not believe in the "true way". Westerners, Americans, and all non-believers (no matter the polictical cant) automatically qualify for the e-ticket to Iblis (Arabic demon, if I'm not mistaken?).

The man is not a "nut-job". He is brilliant, articulate, educated, and obviously determined to set the stage for the return of the 12th Imam or Mahdi. That simply makes him categorically dangerous to all of us in the "Western World" (that means you, atheistic communists in China). When he is done with the Satans of Israel and the USA, he will come after you. Says so in the Koran.

Prove me wrong.

Subsunk

"Ok so 30K troops then and 100K troops now. Including naval crews, fighter jets, and bombers all along, and Israel is still our bully there and they support us too. So how is my point that our military presence protects regimes like Kuwait and Saudi Arabia wrong? Even Bush senior said we would not allow an attack on a soveriegn nation thats an ally. Now isn't that what George Washington warned about when he said "entangling alliances"?"

The point is that there are no troops on the "Arabian Peninsula". There are troops in Iraq (not part of the peninsula), Kuwait (not part of the peninsula), and Bahrain (5th Fleet HQ which has been there for decades and has fewer than a few thousand folks, but is an island in the Gulf).

Israel is not our "bully" as they attack no one except the Palestinians which attack them first. If they were our "bully" then we'd never have to say a word to Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc.... to get what we want, and we see how well they respond to us, don't we? And I'm sure George Washington had exactly this situation in mind when he said we should avoid entangling alliances. Clairvoyant you know.

I could give a shit if oil is sold in dollars. I can exchange that any number of ways. Your supposition that "Essentially there is a need to own reserves that are denominated in the same currency for which commodities are based" is fallacious because oil is not dollars. Oil is oil and is only paid for in a currency. Exchanging currency would add nothing more than a transaction fee to the price which American and European businesses are happy to pay since they would be a fraction of the price anyway. Why not? They pay over $15 a barrel in security fees anyway. You are focused only on your little corner of the banking industry and ignore the fact that businesses buy the oil no matter who sells it or who needs it, and if they want to stay in business they buy it at the price it is marketed. It is a market and everyone gets what they need if they pay the price. Because you talk to traders or bankers, you subscribe to their philosophy of life that the world would stop spinning if they didn't run their businesses the way they do and make all the money they do adding fees for "security" and volatility. If you weren't adding your fees to these transactions, someone else would do the job without you, and the market would just make it up in cost.

So don't try to make it sound like the world revolves around Matt Cooper and the banking industry. You perform a service, nothing more. Oil is a commodity available to whomever can pay the price. America happens to pay the best price. And the only reason we agree to defend the Saudis is that they were once our solid friends. It is pretty difficult to destroy them because the 19 hijackers came primarily from SA, when your first requirement of the Saudis on 9/12 was to begin helping us and do it now ----- and they do it! They cooperate. So now that they did what you ask, wholeheartedly, how do you justify bombing them back to the stone age? Why not just kill them all and let Allah sort it out, eh? Is that the suggestion?

Subsunk

JDC

SUBSUNK:

The reason I pointed out Eugenics is because of where it was started. The idea of Eugenics can be traced back to plato and beyond. It's not a new concept. In the early 1900s, America started pouring money into Eugenics. Researchers recieved money from some very wealthy and well known backers, and it was supported at the highest levels of government. Over 60,000 people were sterilized, mostly criminals and minorities, and Jews were included in the grouping of people who should not reproduce. This was well before Hitler and his cronies got their hands on the idea. America decided to branch out and let other countries assist in the research. Germany was revolutionary and started taking the ideas to new levels. America was still funding Eugenics research up untill 3 months before the start of WW2. My point with this rant is that after the war, Eugenics dissappeared (mostly) and you will never find it mentioned in any school books. In Europe however they still teach this part of history in schools, and have difficuly forgetting that America was indirectly responsible for WW2. This is why Europe questions everything that America does.

As far as the american lifestyle goes, I have nothing against it, and neither does Europe. Thats why you can find Burgerking and Starbucks on just about every corner, (although Wal-Mart just got booted out of Germany). What the hate mongers are preaching over here is mostly about the foreign poilcy, and how America will only get involved in something when they have a direct interest (OIL) and not when it is a true Humanitarian crisis (DARFUR). They think that America is self serving, and that is what people hear. It doesnt matter if its true. AHMADINEJAD knows what the people want to hear and that is what he feeds them. Hitler anyone?

Luke Scully

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose sole purpose in life is to kill millions of Jews and destroy America, has no credibility whatsoever to tell a country like America what they are doing wrong. Because whatever faults they have, Iran has fault 100 times worse.
He is just another Hitler, Anti-Semetic, a murderer, and abosolutely beyond doubt crazy.

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